Mythistory of the Persian Debate (Herodotus, III, 80-82)

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Autor(a) principal: Pires, Francisco Murari
Data de Publicação: 2012
Tipo de documento: Artigo
Idioma: por
Título da fonte: História da Historiografia
DOI: 10.15848/hh.v0i10.483
Texto Completo: https://www.historiadahistoriografia.com.br/revista/article/view/483
Resumo: A predominant thesis is that the Persian debate speaks Greek and expresses the historical reality of the polis according to the mental horizon of the Hellenic logos. However, the Herodotean logos has raised perplexities that call for a better understanding of the text. These perplexities point at the existence of indefinite issues, ambiguities and even inconsistencies, which the critics attempt to solve by means of (un)certain analytic makeshifts. Considering that the antithetical narrative development that is rhetorically constructed by the Debate works with oppositions of the political forms according to an argumentative strategy of cumulative significations, this article has the proposal of bringing its conceptual semantics closer to a mythos-based narrative. Under this light, in which the Debate is seen through the mythical semantics, it is proposed that the hermeneutics of the Herodotean text presupposes the complementary duality of a semantic game: the affirmation of the language’s dominant logos, in which it finds its expression, would conceal the memory of the myth-language, imperceptibly suppressed, as a recessive memory.
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spelling Mythistory of the Persian Debate (Herodotus, III, 80-82)Mithistória do debate persa (Heródoto, III, 80-82)HerodotusHistoriographyAncient historiographyHeródotoHistoriografíaAntigua historiografíaHeródotoHistoriografiaHistoriografia antigaA predominant thesis is that the Persian debate speaks Greek and expresses the historical reality of the polis according to the mental horizon of the Hellenic logos. However, the Herodotean logos has raised perplexities that call for a better understanding of the text. These perplexities point at the existence of indefinite issues, ambiguities and even inconsistencies, which the critics attempt to solve by means of (un)certain analytic makeshifts. Considering that the antithetical narrative development that is rhetorically constructed by the Debate works with oppositions of the political forms according to an argumentative strategy of cumulative significations, this article has the proposal of bringing its conceptual semantics closer to a mythos-based narrative. Under this light, in which the Debate is seen through the mythical semantics, it is proposed that the hermeneutics of the Herodotean text presupposes the complementary duality of a semantic game: the affirmation of the language’s dominant logos, in which it finds its expression, would conceal the memory of the myth-language, imperceptibly suppressed, as a recessive memory.É predominante a tese de que o debate persa fala grego e diz a realidade histórica da pólis consoante o horizonte mental do lógos helênico. Todavia, o lógos herodoteano suscitou perplexidades que intrigam o melhor entendimento do texto, a denunciar ou indefinições ou ambiguidades ou mesmo inconsistências, que os críticos intentam equacionar por meios de (in)certos desvios analíticos. O presente artigo, considerando que o desenvolvimento narrativo antitético construído retoricamente pelo Debate contrapõe os antagonismos das formas políticas segundo uma estratégia argumentativa de significações cumulativas, propõe aproximar sua semântica conceitual de uma correspondente narrativa consagrada, entretanto, em registro de mythos. Assim relido o Debate a integrar a semântica mítica, propõe-se que a hermenêutica do texto herodoteano supõe a dualidade complementar de um jogo semântico: a afirmação do lógos dominante da linguagem em que ele se exprime ocultaria como recessiva a memória da linguagem do mito que seria (im)perceptivelmente elidido.Sociedade Brasileira de Teoria e História da Historiografia, Universidade Federal de Ouro Preto, Universidade Federal do Estado do Rio de Janeiro2012-11-16info:eu-repo/semantics/articleinfo:eu-repo/semantics/publishedVersionapplication/pdfhttps://www.historiadahistoriografia.com.br/revista/article/view/48310.15848/hh.v0i10.483História da Historiografia: International Journal of Theory and History of Historiography; Vol. 5 No. 10 (2012); 183-192História da Historiografia: International Journal of Theory and History of Historiography; Vol. 5 Núm. 10 (2012); 183-192História da Historiografia: International Journal of Theory and History of Historiography; v. 5 n. 10 (2012); 183-1921983-9928reponame:História da Historiografiainstname:Universidade Federal de Ouro Preto (UFOP)instacron:UFOPporhttps://www.historiadahistoriografia.com.br/revista/article/view/483/318Pires, Francisco Murariinfo:eu-repo/semantics/openAccess2020-05-02T02:40:32Zoai:ojs.www.historiadahistoriografia.com.br:article/483Revistahttps://www.historiadahistoriografia.com.br/revistaPUBhttps://www.historiadahistoriografia.com.br/revista/oaivaldei354@gmail.com || historiadahistoriografia@hotmail.com1983-99281983-9928opendoar:2020-05-02T02:40:32História da Historiografia - Universidade Federal de Ouro Preto (UFOP)false
dc.title.none.fl_str_mv Mythistory of the Persian Debate (Herodotus, III, 80-82)
Mithistória do debate persa (Heródoto, III, 80-82)
title Mythistory of the Persian Debate (Herodotus, III, 80-82)
spellingShingle Mythistory of the Persian Debate (Herodotus, III, 80-82)
Mythistory of the Persian Debate (Herodotus, III, 80-82)
Pires, Francisco Murari
Herodotus
Historiography
Ancient historiography
Heródoto
Historiografía
Antigua historiografía
Heródoto
Historiografia
Historiografia antiga
Pires, Francisco Murari
Herodotus
Historiography
Ancient historiography
Heródoto
Historiografía
Antigua historiografía
Heródoto
Historiografia
Historiografia antiga
title_short Mythistory of the Persian Debate (Herodotus, III, 80-82)
title_full Mythistory of the Persian Debate (Herodotus, III, 80-82)
title_fullStr Mythistory of the Persian Debate (Herodotus, III, 80-82)
Mythistory of the Persian Debate (Herodotus, III, 80-82)
title_full_unstemmed Mythistory of the Persian Debate (Herodotus, III, 80-82)
Mythistory of the Persian Debate (Herodotus, III, 80-82)
title_sort Mythistory of the Persian Debate (Herodotus, III, 80-82)
author Pires, Francisco Murari
author_facet Pires, Francisco Murari
Pires, Francisco Murari
author_role author
dc.contributor.author.fl_str_mv Pires, Francisco Murari
dc.subject.por.fl_str_mv Herodotus
Historiography
Ancient historiography
Heródoto
Historiografía
Antigua historiografía
Heródoto
Historiografia
Historiografia antiga
topic Herodotus
Historiography
Ancient historiography
Heródoto
Historiografía
Antigua historiografía
Heródoto
Historiografia
Historiografia antiga
description A predominant thesis is that the Persian debate speaks Greek and expresses the historical reality of the polis according to the mental horizon of the Hellenic logos. However, the Herodotean logos has raised perplexities that call for a better understanding of the text. These perplexities point at the existence of indefinite issues, ambiguities and even inconsistencies, which the critics attempt to solve by means of (un)certain analytic makeshifts. Considering that the antithetical narrative development that is rhetorically constructed by the Debate works with oppositions of the political forms according to an argumentative strategy of cumulative significations, this article has the proposal of bringing its conceptual semantics closer to a mythos-based narrative. Under this light, in which the Debate is seen through the mythical semantics, it is proposed that the hermeneutics of the Herodotean text presupposes the complementary duality of a semantic game: the affirmation of the language’s dominant logos, in which it finds its expression, would conceal the memory of the myth-language, imperceptibly suppressed, as a recessive memory.
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publisher.none.fl_str_mv Sociedade Brasileira de Teoria e História da Historiografia, Universidade Federal de Ouro Preto, Universidade Federal do Estado do Rio de Janeiro
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