The melodramatic poetics of the Seicento: beyond the myth of Count Bardi's camerata

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Autor(a) principal: Sáez, Daniel Martín
Data de Publicação: 2021
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Título da fonte: Per Musi
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Resumo: We analyze the poetics of the 17th century around the birth of opera, trying to clarify their philosophical assumptions. I will show that the key ideas of Mei, Galilei and Bardi, such as the distinction between ancients and moderns, the critique of polyphony versus monody and the subordination of music to poetry, are founded on the distinction between liberal and servile arts. The new idea of realizing a commedia tutta in musica, contrary to what the myth of the camerata, was not relevant and was only introduced ad hoc by Rinuccini and Caccini, followed later by other theorists who hardly questioned the old ideas. Only Pietro della Valle will lay the foundations of a new poetics, closer to the Modern Age than to the Ancient Age.
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spelling The melodramatic poetics of the Seicento: beyond the myth of Count Bardi's camerataLa poética melodramática del Seicento: más allá del mito de la camerata del conde BardiA poética melodramática do Seicento: para além do mito da camerata do Conde BardiPoéticaSiglo XVIIòperaTragediaArtes liberalesPoetics17th CenturyOperaTragedyLiberal artsPoéticaSéculo XVIIÓperaTragédiaArtes liberaisWe analyze the poetics of the 17th century around the birth of opera, trying to clarify their philosophical assumptions. I will show that the key ideas of Mei, Galilei and Bardi, such as the distinction between ancients and moderns, the critique of polyphony versus monody and the subordination of music to poetry, are founded on the distinction between liberal and servile arts. The new idea of realizing a commedia tutta in musica, contrary to what the myth of the camerata, was not relevant and was only introduced ad hoc by Rinuccini and Caccini, followed later by other theorists who hardly questioned the old ideas. Only Pietro della Valle will lay the foundations of a new poetics, closer to the Modern Age than to the Ancient Age.Analizamos las poéticas del siglo XVII en torno al nacimiento de la ópera, intentando aclarar sus presupuestos filosóficos. Mostramos que las ideas clave de Mei, Galilei y Bardi, como la distinción entre antiguos y modernos, la crítica a la polifonía frente a la monodia y la subordinación de la música a la poesía, están fundadas en la distinción entre artes liberales y serviles. La novedosa idea de realizar una comedia tutta in musica, frente a lo que supone el mito de la camerata, no fue relevante y sólo fue introducida ad hoc por Cavalieri, Rinuccini y Caccini, seguidos después por otros teóricos que apenas cuestionaron las viejas ideas. Sólo Pietro della Valle sentará las bases de una nueva poética, más cercana a la Edad Moderna que a la Edad Antigua.Analisamos a poética do século XVII em torno do nascimento da ópera, tentando clarificar os seus pressupostos filosóficos. Mostramos que as ideias-chave de Mei, Galilei e Bardi, tais como a distinção entre antigos e moderados, a crítica da polifonia versus monodia e a subordinação da música à poesia, se baseiam na distinção entre artes liberais e servil. A ideia inovadora de realizar uma commedia tutta em música, por oposição ao mito da camerata, não era relevante e só foi introduzida ad hoc por Cavalieri, Rinuccini e Caccini, seguidos mais tarde por outros teóricos que mal questionavam as velhas ideias. Apenas Pietro della Valle lançará as bases de uma nova poética, mais próxima da Idade Moderna do que da Idade Antiga.Universidade Federal de Minas Gerais (UFMG)2021-07-04info:eu-repo/semantics/articleinfo:eu-repo/semantics/publishedVersiontextexinfo:eu-repo/semantics/othertext/htmltext/xmlapplication/pdfhttps://periodicos.ufmg.br/index.php/permusi/article/view/2944310.35699/2317-6377.2021.29443Per Musi; No. 41 (2021): General Topics; 1-22Per Musi; Núm. 41 (2021): General Topics; 1-22Per Musi; n. 41 (2021): General Topics; 1-222317-63771517-7599reponame:Per Musiinstname:Universidade Federal de Minas Gerais (UFMG)instacron:UFMGspahttps://periodicos.ufmg.br/index.php/permusi/article/view/29443/37566https://periodicos.ufmg.br/index.php/permusi/article/view/29443/37567https://periodicos.ufmg.br/index.php/permusi/article/view/29443/27631Copyright (c) 2021 Per Musihttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0info:eu-repo/semantics/openAccessSáez, Daniel Martín2023-05-03T19:23:42Zoai:periodicos.ufmg.br:article/29443Revistahttp://www.scielo.br/revistas/pm/iaboutj.htmPUBhttps://old.scielo.br/oai/scielo-oai.phpantoniom@fgvnf.br||permusi@ufmg.br2317-63771517-7599opendoar:2023-05-03T19:23:42Per Musi - Universidade Federal de Minas Gerais (UFMG)false
dc.title.none.fl_str_mv The melodramatic poetics of the Seicento: beyond the myth of Count Bardi's camerata
La poética melodramática del Seicento: más allá del mito de la camerata del conde Bardi
A poética melodramática do Seicento: para além do mito da camerata do Conde Bardi
title The melodramatic poetics of the Seicento: beyond the myth of Count Bardi's camerata
spellingShingle The melodramatic poetics of the Seicento: beyond the myth of Count Bardi's camerata
Sáez, Daniel Martín
Poética
Siglo XVII
òpera
Tragedia
Artes liberales
Poetics
17th Century
Opera
Tragedy
Liberal arts
Poética
Século XVII
Ópera
Tragédia
Artes liberais
title_short The melodramatic poetics of the Seicento: beyond the myth of Count Bardi's camerata
title_full The melodramatic poetics of the Seicento: beyond the myth of Count Bardi's camerata
title_fullStr The melodramatic poetics of the Seicento: beyond the myth of Count Bardi's camerata
title_full_unstemmed The melodramatic poetics of the Seicento: beyond the myth of Count Bardi's camerata
title_sort The melodramatic poetics of the Seicento: beyond the myth of Count Bardi's camerata
author Sáez, Daniel Martín
author_facet Sáez, Daniel Martín
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dc.contributor.author.fl_str_mv Sáez, Daniel Martín
dc.subject.por.fl_str_mv Poética
Siglo XVII
òpera
Tragedia
Artes liberales
Poetics
17th Century
Opera
Tragedy
Liberal arts
Poética
Século XVII
Ópera
Tragédia
Artes liberais
topic Poética
Siglo XVII
òpera
Tragedia
Artes liberales
Poetics
17th Century
Opera
Tragedy
Liberal arts
Poética
Século XVII
Ópera
Tragédia
Artes liberais
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