The image of kinaidos in Plato’s Gorgias
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Resumo: | In the final part of Plato’s Gorgias, Socrates uses an example in order to shame Callicles and thereby confront his hedonistic position. The term kinaidos can embarrass translators, interpreters and contemporary readers of the dialogue - some Brazilian editions use translations such as “devasso” and even “veado”. Socrates suggests that if we accept the identification between good and pleasure we should admit the life of the kinaidos as a happy one. But what exactly is the life of the kinaidos? Why cannot it be an example of a happy life? Although this image is abandoned quickly, this socratic argumentative device is decisive for the development of the discussion in the Gorgias. So until these questions are adequately answered, Socrates’ argument will remain partially unintelligible. I start this article trying to demonstrate the importance of the kinaidos as the culminating example in an imagetic refutative process initiated by Socrates. Then I analyze the state of the question and demonstrate why studies of the level of importance of Charles Kahn, Kenneth Dover and John Winkler have not been able to cover all aspects of the meaning of this specific image in the Gorgias. Finally, I try to propose an interpretation according to which the mention of the kinaidos would be a Platonic response to a greek anti-intellectualist thesis, like the one present in Euripides’ Antiope. This response has a crucial role in Plato’s project to legitimize and specify philosophy against the practice of rhetoric. |
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The image of kinaidos in Plato’s GorgiasA imagem do kinaidos no Górgias de PlatãoPlatãoGórgiaskinaidoshedonismohomossexualidade gregaPlatoGorgiaskinaidoshedonismGreek homosexualityIn the final part of Plato’s Gorgias, Socrates uses an example in order to shame Callicles and thereby confront his hedonistic position. The term kinaidos can embarrass translators, interpreters and contemporary readers of the dialogue - some Brazilian editions use translations such as “devasso” and even “veado”. Socrates suggests that if we accept the identification between good and pleasure we should admit the life of the kinaidos as a happy one. But what exactly is the life of the kinaidos? Why cannot it be an example of a happy life? Although this image is abandoned quickly, this socratic argumentative device is decisive for the development of the discussion in the Gorgias. So until these questions are adequately answered, Socrates’ argument will remain partially unintelligible. I start this article trying to demonstrate the importance of the kinaidos as the culminating example in an imagetic refutative process initiated by Socrates. Then I analyze the state of the question and demonstrate why studies of the level of importance of Charles Kahn, Kenneth Dover and John Winkler have not been able to cover all aspects of the meaning of this specific image in the Gorgias. Finally, I try to propose an interpretation according to which the mention of the kinaidos would be a Platonic response to a greek anti-intellectualist thesis, like the one present in Euripides’ Antiope. This response has a crucial role in Plato’s project to legitimize and specify philosophy against the practice of rhetoric.Na parte final do Górgias, Sócrates usa um exemplo para tentar embaraçar Cálicles e, com isso, confrontar sua posição hedonista. O termo kinaidos pode causar certo constrangimento nos tradutores, intérpretes e leitores contemporâneos do diálogo ”“ a expressão é traduzida, em edições em português, como “devasso” e até mesmo “veado”. Sócrates sugere que, se aceitarmos a identificação entre bem e prazer, seria preciso admitir que a vida do kinaidos é a vida de uma pessoa feliz. Mas o que exatamente é a vida do kinaidos? Por que ela não pode ser o exemplo de uma vida feliz? Ainda que a imagem seja rapidamente abandonada, o artifício argumentativo de Sócrates mostra-se decisivo para o desenrolar da discussão do Górgias. Portanto, enquanto essas perguntas não forem adequadamente respondidas, o argumento de Sócrates permanecerá parcialmente ininteligível. Inicio o presente artigo tentando demonstrar a importância do kinaidos como exemplo culminante em um processo de refutação por imagens desencadeado por Sócrates. Em seguida, analiso o estado da questão e demonstro por que os estudos do nível de importância de Charles Kahn, Kenneth Dover e John Winkler ainda não foram capazes de contemplar todos os aspectos do emprego desta imagem no Górgias. Por fim, tento propor uma interpretação segundo a qual a menção ao kinaidos seria uma resposta de Platão contra teses anti-intelectualistas em voga, tal qual a presente na Antíope de Eurípides. Essa resposta, por sua vez, cumpre papel crucial no projeto platônico de legitimar e delimitar a filosofia contra a prática da retórica.Cátedra UNESCO Archai (Universidade de Brasília); Imprensa da Universidade de Coimbra, Portugal; Annablume Editora, São Paulo, Brasil2018-04-17info:eu-repo/semantics/articleinfo:eu-repo/semantics/publishedVersionArticlesArtigosapplication/pdfhttps://periodicos.unb.br/index.php/archai/article/view/876310.14195/1984-249X_23_3Revista Archai; No. 23 (2018): Archai Journal nº23 (May, 2018); 77Archai Journal; n. 23 (2018): Revista Archai nº23 (maio, 2018); 771984-249X2179-496010.14195/1984-249X_23reponame:Revista Archai (Online)instname:Universidade de Brasília (UnB)instacron:UNBporhttps://periodicos.unb.br/index.php/archai/article/view/8763/7498Freitas, Luiz Eduardoinfo:eu-repo/semantics/openAccess2019-08-19T15:34:28Zoai:ojs.pkp.sfu.ca:article/8763Revistahttps://periodicos.unb.br/index.php/archaiPUBhttps://periodicos.unb.br/index.php/archai/oai||archaijournal@unb.br|| cornelli@unb.br1984-249X1984-249Xopendoar:2019-08-19T15:34:28Revista Archai (Online) - Universidade de Brasília (UnB)false |
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The image of kinaidos in Plato’s Gorgias A imagem do kinaidos no Górgias de Platão |
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The image of kinaidos in Plato’s Gorgias Freitas, Luiz Eduardo Platão Górgias kinaidos hedonismo homossexualidade grega Plato Gorgias kinaidos hedonism Greek homosexuality |
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Freitas, Luiz Eduardo |
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In the final part of Plato’s Gorgias, Socrates uses an example in order to shame Callicles and thereby confront his hedonistic position. The term kinaidos can embarrass translators, interpreters and contemporary readers of the dialogue - some Brazilian editions use translations such as “devasso” and even “veado”. Socrates suggests that if we accept the identification between good and pleasure we should admit the life of the kinaidos as a happy one. But what exactly is the life of the kinaidos? Why cannot it be an example of a happy life? Although this image is abandoned quickly, this socratic argumentative device is decisive for the development of the discussion in the Gorgias. So until these questions are adequately answered, Socrates’ argument will remain partially unintelligible. I start this article trying to demonstrate the importance of the kinaidos as the culminating example in an imagetic refutative process initiated by Socrates. Then I analyze the state of the question and demonstrate why studies of the level of importance of Charles Kahn, Kenneth Dover and John Winkler have not been able to cover all aspects of the meaning of this specific image in the Gorgias. Finally, I try to propose an interpretation according to which the mention of the kinaidos would be a Platonic response to a greek anti-intellectualist thesis, like the one present in Euripides’ Antiope. This response has a crucial role in Plato’s project to legitimize and specify philosophy against the practice of rhetoric. |
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