“The Islands of the Blessed" - political art and myth in Gorgias by Plato
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Resumo: | The Gorgias is one of Plato´s dialogues that are responsible for the discussion of the Ideal State and the Statesman. Although the work can be defined as a treatise on rhetoric, this main element is connected to the discussion of the Ideal State, as can also be observed in the Republic, the Critias and in the Timaeus. After all, the Statesman is not purely and simply the prince or the basileus. For Socrates it is the politician, anyone whose voice obtains a hearing in the polis, be it under compulsion or lawfully. There is a serious problem in the Socratic discourse when his rhetoric is stimulated by the power of the words as opposed to the reality of the actions. There appears the true political art which questions the power by means of side effects, when it gets difficult for the philosopher to convince the listener of the pedagogy that is essential for the education of the politician(two examples by Plutarch, Demosthenes and Cicero too, dialogue as well with Socrates'speech about this embroglio). The mythos as a narrative becomes the last attempt at an explanation of the political role of the Statesman. Socrates eventually develops a fable or narrative (Mythos) called the Island of the Blessed. |
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“The Islands of the Blessed" - political art and myth in Gorgias by Plato“As Ilhas dos Abençoados” - arte política e mito no Górgias de PlatãoEstado idealRetóricaPolíticaArte políticaHomem de EstadoIdeal stateRhetoricPoliticsArt statecrafStates manThe Gorgias is one of Plato´s dialogues that are responsible for the discussion of the Ideal State and the Statesman. Although the work can be defined as a treatise on rhetoric, this main element is connected to the discussion of the Ideal State, as can also be observed in the Republic, the Critias and in the Timaeus. After all, the Statesman is not purely and simply the prince or the basileus. For Socrates it is the politician, anyone whose voice obtains a hearing in the polis, be it under compulsion or lawfully. There is a serious problem in the Socratic discourse when his rhetoric is stimulated by the power of the words as opposed to the reality of the actions. There appears the true political art which questions the power by means of side effects, when it gets difficult for the philosopher to convince the listener of the pedagogy that is essential for the education of the politician(two examples by Plutarch, Demosthenes and Cicero too, dialogue as well with Socrates'speech about this embroglio). The mythos as a narrative becomes the last attempt at an explanation of the political role of the Statesman. Socrates eventually develops a fable or narrative (Mythos) called the Island of the Blessed.O texto do Górgias de Platão esta na seleta parte dos diálogos responsáveis pela discussão do Estado Ideal e o homem de Estado. Mesmo, que se defina a obra como um tratado acerca da retórica, este elemento principal se conecta a discussão do Estado Ideal, como o pode também ser observado na República, Crítias, ou no Timeu. Afinal, o homem de Estado não é exatamente e tão somente o príncipe, ou o basileus, mas para Sócrates é o homem político, todo aquele cuja voz na pólis se faz ouvir por força ou direito. Há um grave problema no discurso socrático quando sua retórica se estimula pelo poder das palavras em oposição aà realidade das ações. Então aparece a verdadeira arte política que põe o poder em xeque por meio de reações adversas, quando para o filósofo é difícil convencer o ouvinte sobre a pedagogia essencial da formação do político (Dois exemplos em Plutarco, o de Demóstenes e Cícero, dialogam tão bem, com o discurso de Sócrates acerca deste embróglio). O mythos como narrativa passa a ser a última tentativa de explicação sobre o papel político do homem de Estado. Sócrates, por fim desenvolve uma fábula ou narrativa (Mythos) chamada a Ilha dos Abençoados.Programa de Pós-graduação em Arquitetura e Urbanismo, Faculdade de Arquitetura e Urbanismo2016-08-23info:eu-repo/semantics/articleinfo:eu-repo/semantics/publishedVersionapplication/pdfhttps://periodicos.unb.br/index.php/paranoa/article/view/1159310.18830/issn.1679-0944.n16.2016.03Paranoá; Vol. 9 No. 16 (2016): Poder e ManipulaçãoParanoá; v. 9 n. 16 (2016): Poder e Manipulação1679-09441677-7395reponame:P@ranoáinstname:Universidade de Brasília (UnB)instacron:UNBporhttps://periodicos.unb.br/index.php/paranoa/article/view/11593/10207Carvalho, Tiago Nascimento deinfo:eu-repo/semantics/openAccess2024-02-07T13:29:31Zoai:ojs.pkp.sfu.ca:article/11593Revistahttps://periodicos.unb.br/index.php/paranoaPUBhttps://periodicos.unb.br/index.php/paranoa/oaiparanoa@unb.br1679-09441677-7395opendoar:2024-02-07T13:29:31P@ranoá - Universidade de Brasília (UnB)false |
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“The Islands of the Blessed" - political art and myth in Gorgias by Plato “As Ilhas dos Abençoados” - arte política e mito no Górgias de Platão |
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“The Islands of the Blessed" - political art and myth in Gorgias by Plato |
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“The Islands of the Blessed" - political art and myth in Gorgias by Plato Carvalho, Tiago Nascimento de Estado ideal Retórica Política Arte política Homem de Estado Ideal state Rhetoric Politics Art statecraf States man |
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“The Islands of the Blessed" - political art and myth in Gorgias by Plato |
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“The Islands of the Blessed" - political art and myth in Gorgias by Plato |
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“The Islands of the Blessed" - political art and myth in Gorgias by Plato |
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“The Islands of the Blessed" - political art and myth in Gorgias by Plato |
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Carvalho, Tiago Nascimento de |
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Carvalho, Tiago Nascimento de |
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Carvalho, Tiago Nascimento de |
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Estado ideal Retórica Política Arte política Homem de Estado Ideal state Rhetoric Politics Art statecraf States man |
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Estado ideal Retórica Política Arte política Homem de Estado Ideal state Rhetoric Politics Art statecraf States man |
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The Gorgias is one of Plato´s dialogues that are responsible for the discussion of the Ideal State and the Statesman. Although the work can be defined as a treatise on rhetoric, this main element is connected to the discussion of the Ideal State, as can also be observed in the Republic, the Critias and in the Timaeus. After all, the Statesman is not purely and simply the prince or the basileus. For Socrates it is the politician, anyone whose voice obtains a hearing in the polis, be it under compulsion or lawfully. There is a serious problem in the Socratic discourse when his rhetoric is stimulated by the power of the words as opposed to the reality of the actions. There appears the true political art which questions the power by means of side effects, when it gets difficult for the philosopher to convince the listener of the pedagogy that is essential for the education of the politician(two examples by Plutarch, Demosthenes and Cicero too, dialogue as well with Socrates'speech about this embroglio). The mythos as a narrative becomes the last attempt at an explanation of the political role of the Statesman. Socrates eventually develops a fable or narrative (Mythos) called the Island of the Blessed. |
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